The Cooper family discussed in this article are often referred to as the "Windsor" Cooper's and have over the years produced as many new queries as it has solved !
The reason why I have over the years kept an eye on any new finds or clues to this family was because of a certain John Cooper with the nickname of "Stumpy" on account of his losing his right hand in an accident early in life and because I always felt he descended from the Windsor Cooper's and kin to the well known and researched Mathias (Matty) Cooper born 1806 Cheltenham Gloucester and his possible baptism on "24th July 1816 Cheltenham " Matthias White to Henry and Mary white Tin Man " .
The White connection seem's to crop up on several occassions and as was quite common and still is today, sometimes the maiden name is used or even a grandparent's, but is there a possibility it was White and not Cooper ? Just as many Hughes
aare also found using the name Cooper and vice versa! (This also happens with other family names) I have had the various records for many years but have never got around to looking into it further ).
My friend Elizabeth Golding has also over the years recorded alot of information and kindly and most generously shared with me her gleanings over the years as has Mark Hughes and John Russell who have also for many years been researching and we have all shared what we have found as an example:- A few examples below:-
"Email from Betty"
If i remember rightly, in later census Eve is older, shes not as young as she says in the 1880 - Henry is the right age to be George, who was bapt 1815 at St Marys lewisham kent,Have to look up the later census as i know Eve is def older in those.
.So Elisha/Caroline who have Perrin on igi are the same as Elisha Defiance Frances Scamp ( i know you have said this before)
Old draki = Dukey
Dukey married Eliza Dawson not Ellis as i have their marriage (well not cert) and as the person states dawsons are next door (elizas parents and siblings)
There is a Susan or Susannah Cooper ,i know there was supposed to be a susan cooper who was an aunt to matty'
Like the trinity lovell bit, quite possible, especially as elisha supposedly from warminster wilts and they themselves have a trinity
The Merrily Joles nee Cooper born about 1782, most prob the Morrely bapt Tetbury Glos daughter of Henry and Ciberena Cooper........ There has always been the Gloucestershire connection with my Coopers even up to now. Matty always says born Cheltenham even though i trudged through many registers at Cheltenham years ago and did not find a bapt for him there. I still have relatives now at Cheltenham. Mum and grandad used to travel from Belvedere pass Windsor, onto the Malvern Hills, Glos and then onto Wales.
"Elizabeth Golding "
just looked, Merrily Cooper named a son Henry, so...........reckon that is her then, is that what you were thinking
"Mark Hughes "
I’m thinking that Henry and “Ciberina” Cooper are the same couple as Henry and Sabrina White that christen Penelope at Luckington (we have the image). I believe Penelope partners Righteous Lee and christens Pianna.))""
The baptism on te 24th July 1816 Cheltenham for a Matthias White to Henry and Mary white Tin Man we think is Matty Cooper.
Of course we are always open to be corrected!
So as you can see lots of loose ends to tie up! and as with all research its open to change as and when new info becomes available.
There seems to be many links between the Dorset/Wilts and Hampshire Counties to the London/Windsor Coopers, very early records also add to the connections one such record being the baptism of Moses Small 23 Jun 1793 WINTERBORNE KINGSTON DORSET who partnered Cinderella Cooper born abt 1797 .
Another White connection to the Cooper family is the 1815* Settlement order, Boreham, Essex. Wandering and lodging in open air. Solomon about 25, Old Windsor, son of Elisha Cooper, rat catcher. Settlement Hayes, Kent where father comes from. Infant brother Dickie cooper about 8 years old. Travelling with Trinity Cooper d/o of Elisha Cooper, rat catcher, about 16, born Old Windsor. With them was Kissee White, about 27 born Oakenham, Berks. Kissee has two children under 10.
(I did at first think dickie was Duke but now think its Richard)
Kissee mentioned above was in fact Keziah daughter of Henry White and Sybarina/ Cyprikana (or various spellings)
Records below :-
Name :Kezia White:Gender Female
Baptism/Christening Date 09 Oct 1785
Baptism/Christening Place WOKINGHAM,BERKSHIRE,
Father's Name :Henry White :Mother's Name :Syberana
Name:Seberina White**Departure Place:Bewley,(Think Beaulieu) Southampton
Destination Place:Child Okeford, Dorset
Event Date: 15 Apr 1785**Record Type:Vagrant Pass
Archive Description:Vagrants' Passes etc. Mar 1785 - Apr 1785 (Borough of Shaftesbury)
Persons on Form:*Name:Henry White
Seberina White his wife
Elepheletta White dau age abt 3
Marina White dau aged abt 2 ( I think this is Morella or Merrily who wed Isaac Joules)
(Parish Register, Tetbury, Gloucestershire, " Baptisms 1783 Morrely Dau of Henry & Ciberena Cooper Dec, 28th.
Penelope White - International Genealogical Index *Gender: Female Christening: 21 APR 1782 Luckington, Wiltshire
FATHER*HENRY WHITE Mother: SABRINA
I believe the Syberina/Cyberina/Cyprikana..... was the Zebrina born abt 1761 and sister to Dove Herren/Hearne this again connects with Dorset and of course further connetions to the Stanley/Burton/Cooper/Joles/Broadway/Wharton etc a number of who emigrated to the USA ,as was often the case with Romany families at that time marrying their cousins thus many names getting repeated over generations etc.
Christening Date-Jul 1767.......Christening Place, IDMISTON, WILTSHIRE.
Father's Name::Robert Boswell::Mother's Name::Lucretia
(Is this the Lucretia and Robert named in the prison record along with Dove and Zebrinah Herne?)
Further White/Cooper/connections to the two names are Richard and Milly Cooper choosing to use both names in baptisms see below:-
Name:Talanty Cooper OR White
Birth Date: abt 1792
Christening Date: 20 May 1792
Christening Place: Burbage, Wiltshire
Father's name: Richard Cooper or White
Name: Anslow Cooper
Birth Date: abt 1797
Christening Date: 11 Jan 1797
Christening Place: Downton, Wiltshire
Father's name: Richard Cooper........Mother's name: Milly
Baptism Date:14 Apr 1799
Baptism Place:Chiddingstone, Kent.....................Father:Richard Cooper-Mother:Milly
Baptism Date:21 Aug 1803.....Baptism Place:Penshurst, Kent.............Father:Richard Cooper Mother Milly
Baptism Date:31 Mar 1805.....Baptism Place:Penshurst, Kent.........Father:Richard Cooper Mother:Milly
Its tempting to think Richard could be a brother to Elisha(Lusha)Cooper ? Also interestly he named a daughter Penelope .
Another link is Leonard Cooper b 1806 son of Henry and Mary) Leonards daughter Mary partnered George White babt 1824 and they had a Richard born 1847 who partnered Theodosia Aryes.
Now it was Betty Golding who sent me some info and her gleanings on this George White actually being born as George Cooper !**GEORGE COOPER**Christening:04 APR 1824 Upton Grey, Hampshire........ Parents:Mother: SARAH COOPER
1851* Binfield, Berkshire
George White abt 1824 Nk, Hampshire, Head
Mary White abt 1828 Brading, BerkshireWife
Richard White abt 1848 N Son
Leonard Cooper abt 1807 Old Windsor, Berkshire Head
Phillis Cooper abt 1811 Hampton, Surrey Wife
Nelson Cooper abt 1832 Trinley, Surrey Son
Thomas Cooper abt 1836 Chertsey, Surrey Son
But in the 1861*Census
George White abt 1824 Upongray, Hampshire Head
Mary White abt 1824 Abbifield, Berkshire, Wife Isleworth, Middlesex
Richard White abt 1848 Tordle, Kent, Son Isleworth, Middlesex
Sarah Cooper abt 1804 Chalgrove, Oxfordshire Mother Isleworth, Middlesex
On another article :-1823
Appeared in Union Hall Police court in August 1823 on a charge of vagrancy at Norwood:-
The arrest of several of the gypsies. Elisha Cooper wife Ann, Eve Cooper, Anne Marie Cooper, Saibriana Cooper and Jane Cooper were arrested, Those punished at House of Correction Brixton on 11th aug 1823 were Mary ann lee, Thomas cooper, Elisha cooper, Sophia lee, Hannah Cooper pretending to tell fortunes and Sabrina Cooper, all hard labour for one month
(Article also said that all the people were all one family group)There are many more connections to yet tie up including the Scamp/Stanley and Lee families among others :-
More to follow:-