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LOVELL SOUTH WALES
Harcules bp2/2/1812 Eccleshall, traveller of E. [His wife was Susannah SMITH; links to the Black Patch community]
...Children of Harkless/Susannah
...Caroline bp12/2/1843 (b12/2/1843) Haseley WKS, b in Lark Lane,travelling tinker of H
...Ann Selina bp22/4/1848 Broadway WOR, tinker of B. (married Francis CLAYTON)
It looks as if Arkless LOVELL had an earlier relationship with Ellen
from the following:
...Hercules bp30/3/1833 Sandbach CHE, cutler of S.
...Molineux bp10/6/1836 Stockton SHR, gypsies
[There is a different Molineux LOVELL br14/7/1831 (2m) at Birmingham St Martin]
Samson bp8/4/1827 Oldswinford WOR.DUD, brazier of Stourbridge
Thomas and Spanisha LOVELL
The above Thomas (1784), son of Major LOVELL, and his cousin Spanisha
(1794) [various spellings], daughter of Daniel LOVELL, were married 11/12/1816 Pebworth GLOnowWOR, both occasional dwellers otp [the witnesses are of interest but a distraction at present]. their
Richard bp29/6/1817 Bishampton WOR, vagrants of Swinland? WKS [married
...Children of Richard/Maria [GREEN]
...Delarify bp19/10/1845 Bosbury HRF, labourer of Satley Cross
...Sabrina pbp2/10/1848 Leigh WOR, tinman of Newport SHR at Brockamin at time of baptism
Dooriah bp11/2/1821 Guilsford MGY, potter, travelling Gipsey [the name links to London LOVELLs]
Siara bp13/4/1823 Ashby de la Zouch LEI, traveller, brazier & tinman [married Charles BOSS son of Joseph whom the JGLS consistently calls 'Anselo']
Spencer bp30/1/1825 Old Swinford WOR.DUD, brazier of Stourbridge [underlined because it shows a connection to William/Sophia]
Delias bp15/4/1827 Kinver STF, brazier of K. [This is Elias]
Aaron bp20/6/1836 Oddingley WOR, brazier of Kings Sutton [says OX but it is NTS, same as his father's baptism]
Spencer and Absali LOVELL
Spencer LOVELL married Absali [various spellings] who may have been a
LOVERIDGE - see the second baptism for Cinderella below:
Spencer bp19/3/1843 Bradley WOR [mother: 'Prudence'] basket maker of Cowbridge CRM 'the child was born in a lane, his parents being trampers pursuing their trade of basket making' Cinderella Lovell bp18/4/1847 Rockfield MON, basket maker of May Pole Cinderella Loveridge pbp24/5/1847 Kinver STF, travelling basket maker of Brierley
Ludolphus bp5/3/1849 Adbon SHR, makers & sellers of clothes pegs etc. [sic]
Olphus bp26/3/1851 Bransford WOR, Gipsey traveller
Thomas bp5/4/1853 Bransford WOR, Gipsey hawker
Violet bp4/10/1855 Bransford WOR, traveller
Theresa bp18/6/1857 Cradley WOR, Gipsey of Overend
Susanna bp17/6/1864 Cradley WOR, basket maker of Cradley
Minera bc1864 Wolverhampton
Mary bp13/10/1867 Hanbury WOR, basket maker [in 1871 it says she was 'blind from birth']
Another indication that Absali was a LOVERIDGE is their son Alfred's marriage in 1876 where he is called 'Alfred Lovell or Loveridge' (28) father: Spencer - basket maker, wife: Cente SMITH (24) her father: Frederick - basket maker m24/7/1876 Hanbury WOR. [Possibly Alfred is the same as Olphus above.]
Uzziah [male] bp13/10/1861 Pontnewynydd MON, basket maker of Commantddumnan
Lovel [sic] bp29/4/1868 GLM Llanfabon, Gipsy of Graig [The probable mistake in spelling may have led to the following a month later although the forename 'Lovel' does exist elsewhere]:
Leonard bp31/5/1868 GLM Llanfabon, Gipsy of Graig
Angelina bp27/3/1870 GLM Lisvane, travelling tinker of L.
Urania bp9/12/1832 Huntingdon HRF
Walter Riley bp28/1/1838 Kemeys Inferior MON, tinman of Caerlichtin Green
John bp1/1/1846 Carew PEM, basket maker living in Tent within the parish of C.
Cheseldine [given as female] bp12/4/1863 Pontnewynydd MON, basket maker of Gonindnshan
Thomas bp26/9/1847 (b16/9/1847) Llangynwyd GLM, basket maker and Gypsy of near Lluyndajous
De La Rifey bp19/2/1854 (b4/2/1854) Llangynwyd GLM, basket maker of Necin Cwm...din.
Carolina bp5/7/1829 St Brides Major GLM, tinker of Staffs.
Edward bp20/5/1845 Angle PEM, razor grinder of Wolverhampton Staffs.
Reboam [male] bp20/5/1838 Bewellty MON, Egyptian tinman
Elizabeth bp8/8/1869 Llanfabon GLM, basket maker of Guy seading.
Jerusalem bp7/10/1850 Knightwick WOR, tinker of Wolverhampton
Sophia bp6/2/1864 Newcastle under Lyme St Giles STF
De La Railee bp15/1/1871 (b6/1/1871) Llangynwyd GLM, basket maker of
Cae Mab Ivor.
Seth bp13/8/1838 Carew PEM, basket maker of Child's Wycombe GLO
Josiah bp18/2/1844 Lawrenny PEM, basket maker of L.
T.W. Thompson who often wrote articles for the Journal Of the Gypsy Lore Society, which can provide a point for research to follow up on , checking with the now easily availabe records online and of course original parish records is always essential ! Below is such an example compiled and researched by Terence Lee , who has kindly sent me this snippet of his research for use on this site many thanks TL. (C) T.Lee
1) Major. In his marriage to Rosanna Twigg on 2/7/1854 at St Clears CRM, Major Lovell named his father as William. and gave his age as 27 which means the following is his baptism:
STF Shenstone bp11/1/1821 Major s/o William/Sarah LOVELL, tinker &pedlar of Birmingham GLM Cardiff St Mary bp15/6/1846 Selina d/o Major/Rose Anna, cutler of Mary Ann Street
[Within the same paragraph Thompson says that Major had two sonsca lled George and Arty but those two ‘sons’ were contemporaries of this particular Major so he was too young to be their father. It is just a mistake by Thompson. Arkless is shown in the above census extract and he was a half-brother of this particular Major.]
2) Ladin [means Aladdin] In 1871GLM-5396/69/20 Aladdin’s surname is GIBBS which was not his father’s alias but one first adopted by his uncle Tom (below). His wife is Ann, not Phoebe FORD (as on Myers’ list), but Aladdin did have a child by Phoebe COLIN. Aladdin’s age in 1871 (39) means that this is his baptism:
GLO Newent bp4/3/1832 Deladdus s/o William/Sarah LOVELL, Gypsies of Fair(?) Birmingham
...GLM Merthyr Tydfil bp7/12/1856 Lewis s/o Lladdin LOVEL/Phoebe COLIN, grinder of Quarry Road
3) William appears at1861GLM-4047/58/24 nd 1871GLM-5401/65/2 with his wife, Elizabeth, should be ‘Pen’ whose name appears in the baptism of their daughter Delerainina [Lorana in 1861]. Perhaps Elizabeth is a second wife. William’s birthplace is given as Birmingham
...Children of William/Penelope
...Gloriana bp11/10/1840 Oxenhall GLO, itinerant brazier of Dudley
4) Tom (Thomas) is ‘LOVELL’ in the 1861 census but ‘GIBBS’ in 1871, 1881 and 1891. The name GIBBS appears to have come from his first wife, Sarah GIBBS, and was permanently adopted by some of the South Welsh LOVELLs.
...Children of Thomas/Sarah LOVELL
...GLM Merthyr Dyfan bp1/4/1849 Windsor s/o Thomas/Sarah, Gipsy at the time confined at Holton in this parish
...GLM Newton Nottage bp28/12/1851 Lignairvitoe d/o Thomas/Sarah, tinker of Splotl(?)
5) Frederick is a problem name because Thompson’s remarks on page 196 of the article state that part of his family went to the USA which is exactly what seems to have happened to the suspiciously similar family of Hezekiah and Isaviah LOVELL who were neighbours of the above William in 1861GLM and almost certainly very close relatives. There is a need to compare these two families to see if the common names indicate a family connection.
6) Harriet (later)
7) Charlotte (later)
8) Trenit (later)
Other children of William/Sarah:
Speedwelly bc1827 [mDqtr1872 = Ozias BOSWELL]
Enoch bc1831 [dD1879(43) Ashton]
...Children of Enoch/Emma
...Keomi bc1858 Staffs.
...Cashmere b1861 [married Temi Boswell alias John Smith, see
...Mochus bp26/2/1865 Birmingham St Jude WKS.BHM, travelling cutler of New Inkleys
Britannia bp12/5/1833 East Keel LIN, a travelling brazier & cutler
Studdaverius bp14/3/1831 Tipton St Martin STF, cutler of Birmingham [dJ1870(35) Ashton]
Gerenia bp2/2/1840 Broom WOR, wandering tinker etc., of no fixed residence [dDqtr1840 Stourbridge]
William LOVELL (1785) Part Three (Sophia)
The appearance of Arkless in the above census extract suggests that William LOVELL had an earlier relationship although the evidence is that his earlier wife produce a child after William met up with Sarah Herring, that is, Samson where the abode is Stourbridge, the same as for Spencer above
Children of William and Sophia LOVELL:
Jemima bp6/11/1803 Eccleshall STF, travellers
George bc1811 [by reputation the brother of Arkless]. His wife was Isabella SMITH. They married 8 May 1832 Shipton under Whychwood OX.
The witnesses prove the link with Arkless who appears as 'Hercules Lovatt'. The other witness is Elizabeth Smith.
...Children of George/Isabella
...Quinasia bp17/4/1842 Hook Horton OX, a gypsey encamped at present in tp of HN, belongs to tp of Shutford
...William bp22/2/1846 Kenilworth WKS, grinder & brazier of Shelford OX
...Elvira bp27/11/1855 Bilston St Leonard STF, brazier of B.
An inquest was held in Wolverhampton following the suicide of George Lovell's first wife, Lemontina Smith, called his 'paramour' presumably because they were not married. One of them is from the Manchester Guardian and the date given in the source [Scott Macfie at LIV.UNI K35. p.2] is January 1874.